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...but Paul Holmgren has just shown how bad of a GM he is. He has drastically overpaid for Kimmo Timonen and Scott Hartnell.

Hartnell, 24, has a great deal of potential, and when he was drafted was pegged to be a captain some day. But in the last two years that has faded away, and he's had numerous head-on collisions with the coaching staff, and most of the locker room could not tolerate him.

His cap hit for the Flyers: $4.2M for 6 years. Hartnell's actual value: about $3M.

Kimmo Timonen, a two-time All-Star and Olympian, wanted entirely too much money to begin with. He was asking $5M from a team with major financial problems due to a lack of corporate support. I just hope his family isn't too upset with the deal. Kimmo was also under very little pressure to succeed in Nashville, where he has played all 10 years of his career.

His cap hit for the Flyers: a whopping $6.2M. His actual value: $4M. So Holmgren paid 1.5 times the actual value for Timonen.

Spenidng $10.4M on two players is hardly financially wise for any team in the NHL, unless their names are St. Louis and Lecavalier, Crosby and Malkin, Briere and Drury, and Timonen and Hartnell are far from any of those. Even if the team improves (which shouldn't be too hard) over last year, they would have to win the division, or maybe even the conference, for these signings to be vindicated. And with the Sabres spending to the cap (meaning they might retain Drury, Briere and Vanek), the Senators maintaining, almost entirely the team that dominated the Eastern Conference Playoffs, and the Peguins rapidly emerging as the best team in the Atlantic with a ridiculous amount of young talent, including the triple-crown winner Sidney Crosby, that's not likely to happen.

I think the Flyers might make the playoffs, but it won't be easy. And if it doesn't happen, then obviously Paul Holmgren will be wiping the egg off his face... for six years.

The Predators, meanwhile, are still a viable playoff team in the West. They still have an incredibly talented team. If they sign Paul Kariya to a new contract, this team is still one of the best in the West, and possibly the NHL.




Look for Poile to dig deep and find some of those "day two guys" like Shero (who was mentored by Poile), as somebody here said, to shore up the third forward line. This team is still one of the top in the West.

Also, the Predators have signed Mike Santorelli to an entry-level contract. He was 16th in the nation in overall scoring (47), 3rd in goals scored(30), and 6th in power play goals(11), as well as being 7th in shorthanded goals(4). Predators fans may remember his insane request of $200k to play the final 9 games of the Milwaukee Admirals' season.
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June 18, 2007 4:32 PM ET | Delete
Totaly agree and watch Ray Shero mine the "day 2" UFA's and find another Mark Eaton to go with Mark Eaton and the Pens Blue Line becomes real stoudt with forwards who are a year older and a year wiser. IE look at Crosby's quantum leap from year 1 to year 2..... Does that make them better than the Sens only in my dreams does it make them tougher to play, absolutely!!!! Do the Flyers think they are going to make up ground on any of the Atlantic Division teams or the Eastern Conference elite with this move - I don't think - however watching Philly fans belly-ache is always a fun sport in and of itself
June 18, 2007 7:06 PM ET | Delete
It was a shock to be sure. I didn't realize there was baggage attached to Hartnell, but regardless 4.2 mil is way, way too much. 6.3 for Timonen is a good signing, but Hartnell's I'll never understand.
June 18, 2007 7:59 PM ET | Delete
I think you might just be a little bitter. This is a GREAT move for Homer. You guys got basically nothing in return.
June 18, 2007 10:52 PM ET | Delete
Nice try at rationalizing a bad situation for the Preds, but facts are, the Flyers had the money and cap room to do this move. With some upcoming trades (Gauthier/Sanderson, plus no Rathje) look for the Flyers to STILL have about 13-15 million in cap room for more signings. Timonen is an all star, a captain, a powerplay QB, a Norris trophy candidate...if you think he couldn't get more than 4 million on the open market, you're NUTS this ain't Nashville son...KT would have gotten his 6 million from someone else if the Flyers didn't beat them to the punch with more wizardry from Holmgren. Hartnell is a young gritty player whose contract may look great in a couple of years. He was sought after and likely would have gotten 3.5 million or so..again the Flyers could afford to pay up a bit. The Flyers will have salaries coming off in '09 - Hatcher, Knuble, Kapanen to sign their younger core players and FAs. Don't think Holmgren doesn't know what he's doing.Essentially it looks like you traded Parent, Upshall, Hartnell and Timonen and a 3rd rd pick to Philly for a few measly games with Forsberg which earned the team a 1st round playoff ouster. Congratulations:YOU GOT OWNED, see the link for details:http://The_Predators.justgotowned.com/
June 18, 2007 11:22 PM ET | Delete
The funniest part is that Timonen would have gotten at least what the Flyers paid had he hit the open market, probably more. It's great to sit there and say his actual value is $4mm, but that's ignoring that there's at least one team that disagreed, and quite probably more than one. As for Hartnell, he did get overpaid. However, he's a guy the Flyers have liked for awhile and obviously they're banking that he will be playing top line minutes and see more PP time. He did not get grossly overpaid, IMO. For a Preds fan to say either guy did is as much sour grapes as it is hockey analysis.
June 19, 2007 12:39 AM ET | Delete
the way these contracts are structured is novel for the nhl and makes your point even more moot when one considers you acquired forsberg for a 1st round exit for upshall, parent, kimmo, hartnell and a 3rd round pick.nice try at putting lipstick on this pig for NSH and saying it's really jessica alba.i do hope your team stays, though. good luck there
June 19, 2007 10:09 AM ET | Delete
Jsaquella - yes Kimmow could have gotten more on the open market. Probably somewhere in the 7 million range but the term would have been two to three years max. I think other GM's are envious of the Kimmo's salary the next two years but are happy they aren't on the hook for the other FOUR years of the deal!
June 19, 2007 10:17 AM ET | Delete
I heard Timonen and Hartnell didn't want to play in Ontario! Ha ha ha.
June 19, 2007 1:31 PM ET | Delete
There's no way he'd get less than four years Predjoe. Besides, the Flyers aren't on the hook for six years. If Timonen retires, or the team sends him down to the AHL, the cap hit goes away.
June 19, 2007 2:11 PM ET | Delete
if you send a guy over the age of 35 to the minors his salary WILL count against the cap.
June 19, 2007 3:49 PM ET | Delete
another brilliant move by the brilliant people in philly
June 19, 2007 3:50 PM ET | Delete
With the likelihood of Kariya NOT re-signing in Nashville, you guys have A LOT of holes to fill with not a lot of money to spread around. The Preds are going to be a two-line team with a good goaltender. In the Western Conference, that may not be good enough to make the playoffs. Best of luck in '07-'08.
June 19, 2007 4:07 PM ET | Delete
Wrong, TeflonSteve. Only if they sign a multi-year contract AFTER they turned 35 years of age. Check the language of the CBA.
June 19, 2007 4:07 PM ET | Delete
PwozNYR:Would the Rangers fan be the pot, or the kettle?
June 19, 2007 4:27 PM ET | Delete
Slats made some moronic moves in the past, but the last few years have done nothing but benefit us.. now after July 1st, you'll probably be right.. I have a feeling we're going to overpay for someone like Gomez who isn't worth what they are asking.
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