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Matt Stajan got creamed last night by Marc Staal and the hit has been reviewed and was legal. Given Staal's history and the circumstances of the hit I would have been surprised if he received more than a game anyway but with Colin Campbell you have to wonder if he thinks Stajan is "a little faker", guess so. The controversy behind the hit is that Stall doesn't appear to leave his feet but does appear to lunge into Stajan's chin, not chest. This was evidenced by Stajan doing his best Bambi on ice impersonation after the hit. he wasn't winded, he was concussed. If this was a shoulder to shoulder hit I would have applauded Staal for cranking him, I love a huge hit as much as anyone, I just don't want to see anyone loose their brains on the ice.

So with our premier shut down defenseman out due to injury the Flames allow two goals against. That is a bright spot at least. if the rumors are true and Regehr is being shopped at least we know J-Bo can play 30+ minutes! All kidding aside Calgary does have a few D that are able to come up and play some minutes in addition to Pardy who is closing on being healthy again.

The record keeps sliding at a rate of one win for every four losses after the most recent 10 games. As fans we think this is unacceptable, imagine being an owner spending millions and millions on players, coaches, management and staff to get that result. We are lucky that our ownership will spend mega millions to have a winner so trust me they feel just as ripped off as we do. The fact is that as they slip to three games under there is a point where the owners will ask management to clear house and start over. Where that point that the owners step in is a guess. Is it 5 games under? 10 games under 500? We don't know but as the season rolls on time runs out on the Flames.

Calgary is in that group with the Islanders, Oilers, Toronto, Buffalo and Florida that are perennial losers. The standings speak for themselves.

When we say "re-build" there is a cringing that goes on like they are being gutted. How many seasons did Colorado miss before they got back to the top of the north west division? If you draft well you get the players you need to be successful right away. More and more junior players are making the jump to the NHL so the turn around is not as long as it has been in the past. If the Flames decide to blow it up and start over, it doesn't necessarily mean they will take ten years to make it back. Players like Bourque, Backlund, Giordano and Kipper will help whatever tough times we have moving forward. If you argue that re-building would be bad because we would lose more then please ask yourself if losing 1 in 4 isn't just as bad?

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November 23, 2010 11:46 AM ET | Delete
it was shoulder to shoulder, watch again
November 23, 2010 11:54 AM ET | Delete
Exactly...if we blow it up and rebuild, how much worse can it get? We're 14th in the Conference, 27th in the league. Florida and Toronto have more points than the Flames. We're scraping the bottom already. What exactly would we be worried about, aside from hoping for some miracle? This is not a contending team. We have to stop thinking it is.
November 23, 2010 11:55 AM ET | Delete
SO, this is what Ive been preaching. Semi rebuild, we have a start of a new core but major core changes needed, one more step back
November 23, 2010 11:58 AM ET | Delete
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfS4xpSjwm4 at 54 seconds, despite what the MSG commentator says, that's shoulder to chin...
November 23, 2010 12:08 PM ET | Delete
nah, shoulder to shoulder. Textbook hit. they should teach that hit in hockey schools.
November 23, 2010 12:14 PM ET | Delete
was shoulder to face...you don't get knocked almost out and unable to get back to your feet cause your brain is scrambled from a hit to the chest...plus if you watch the replay, he coils and stalks him like a snake just prior to the hit.Absolute injustice.
November 23, 2010 12:16 PM ET | Delete
nope shoulder to shoulder
November 23, 2010 12:41 PM ET | Delete
Shoulder to chin and border line blind side hit. Stall clearly has an upward motion as he lays the hit.
November 23, 2010 12:55 PM ET | Delete
nah, shoulder to shoulder
November 23, 2010 12:56 PM ET | Delete
yeah you're right he must have a severe shoulder concussion. His inability to get up, also due to the sever shoulder to shoulder trauma.
November 23, 2010 1:04 PM ET | Delete
That was a clean hit, Stajan has to stop admiring his pass and watch where he's going!
November 23, 2010 1:07 PM ET | Delete
Also, you don't get a concussion just from a blow to the head, you get it from the trama caused from the brain jolting against the inside of the skull, so ya you can get concussed from a hit to the shoulder, chest, back, whatever motion makes your head stop and your brain continue to move.
November 23, 2010 1:11 PM ET | Delete
It was a chin shot
November 23, 2010 1:14 PM ET | Delete
I couldn't agree more, are we a decent team in most games, yes; but the question I've been asking for weeks now is, couldn't we be 14th in the west while still rebuilding? Let's not waste another year ladened with excuses and mediocrity. Rebuild now and you've got a young, good team for the future in 2012/2013. The only catch is I don't want Darryl Sutter doing the re-building, he's stuck in the pre-lockout, pre-salary cap era...
November 23, 2010 1:32 PM ET | Delete
Big, while it's true that you could theoretically get a concussion from a shoulder to chest hit, the momentum would have carried Stajan's head forward, rather than snapping it back at impact. There was no whiplash here. Jimbro, you're not adding anything to this discussion.
November 23, 2010 1:39 PM ET | Delete
that's because nothing needs to be added. It was a 100% clean hit. You wanna see a dirty hit? look up Dion Phaneuf's hit last year on Kyle Okposo that all the Flames fans defended.
November 23, 2010 1:53 PM ET | Delete
The Dion hit on Okposo was clean. So was the Stall hit last night.
November 23, 2010 1:54 PM ET | Delete
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8Npq9ul_NsThese guys have it right.
November 23, 2010 1:54 PM ET | Delete
sorry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8Npq9ul_Ns
November 23, 2010 2:05 PM ET | Delete
November 23, 2010 2:18 PM ET | Delete
Every one of the NHL guys I have on Twitter that commented on this seem to think it's a clean hit. The only people saying it's dirty are Calgary fans, I respect that you are all good fans, but you have to see the hit without the Flames glasses on like Flamminghead did. I'd bet Stajan would be annoyed with himself for looking at his pass instead of the train coming at him.
November 23, 2010 2:25 PM ET | Delete
All open ice hits end up in concussions but they are part of the game what do you do?
November 23, 2010 2:25 PM ET | Delete
It was to his head but I thought it was clean, it's not Staal's fault he's taller ..Stajan has to keep his head up cutting through the middle .
November 23, 2010 2:31 PM ET | Delete
If they keep playing like they have the last few games (other than the stupid penalties,Glencross I'm looking at you) , I can't be too mad the breaks will come. It doesn't look great right now but I think they should play the season out see what happens. If it ends crappy like last year rebuild during the summer/draft.
November 23, 2010 3:06 PM ET | Delete
November 23, 2010 3:48 PM ET | Delete
To be clear the new blindside headshot rule was intended to stop these kind of hits, the wording says east west hits and it was argued staal was north south. Regardless of the wording it was supposed to protect players and the NHL has proven that this rule basically is just another hit from behind rule. If you think Stajan got hit in the shoulder please be aware it wasn't the outside shoulder. Why Not? Because if intent.
November 23, 2010 3:50 PM ET | Delete
Concussions do happen when the brain carried momentum while the skull has stopped, it could have happened when he hit the ice as well. When I watch the replay I see his head snap back not forward however. Staal would have got the same effect hitting the outside shoulder but the NHL doesn't care. Not a big enough star.
November 23, 2010 3:53 PM ET | Delete
Bigsexy, you obviously don't have Bob Mckenzie on your twitter. He thought it violated the rule. If that hit is clean then why have a rule that protects vunerable players?
November 23, 2010 3:54 PM ET | Delete
nope shoulder to head and from the side
November 23, 2010 3:56 PM ET | Delete
Dude 84- Watch the Giordano hit on Hossa on Friday, same as last night but to the shoulder. Hossa is still skating and playing. Hip check is also another viable checking style.
November 23, 2010 3:59 PM ET | Delete
Bootsy- I know it happens quick but in real time Stajan was looking the opposite direction of Staal for about .5 seconds before being hit. Unless Humans acquire 360 degree vision the players need to be repremanded against head shots of any kind. because a player doesn't have his head up means you should shoulder check his jaw? C'mon!
November 23, 2010 4:01 PM ET | Delete
his helmet only went halfway down the ice...shoulder to shoulder, right...he got a bit of his shoulder, but the majority of the blow went towards his head...i don't care for the east-west terminology, if Glencross got suspended last year for his hit on Drury, Staal should have gotten the gate too
November 23, 2010 4:04 PM ET | Delete
The hit was clean. Check out the cross check to the back of callahan's head last night if you want to see dirty hits
November 23, 2010 4:08 PM ET | Delete
Stajan should keep his head up next time. Clean, textbook hit.
November 23, 2010 4:21 PM ET | Delete
Like I said, because a guy has his head down doesn't mean he should be targeted in the head. This isn't a death match.
November 23, 2010 4:31 PM ET | Delete
Staal is about 4 inches taller than Stajan, what was he supposed to do? Maybe next time Staal should go to take him out while on his knees? This is hockey, he got hit clean and got his clock cleaned. End O Story.
November 23, 2010 4:35 PM ET | Delete
Staal is about 4 inches taller than Stajan, what was he supposed to do? Go to take him out while on his knees? This is hockey, he got hit clean and got his clock cleaned. End O Story.
November 23, 2010 4:37 PM ET | Delete
He couldn't have hit the outside shoulder?? Had the same affect? Yeah admit it he wanted to murder him.
November 23, 2010 4:38 PM ET | Delete
see, this is where Flames fans get dumb. Glencross hit last year on Drury was deadly, he specifically targeted only the head and Drury never touched the puck. Going after someone's head who never touched the puck should always be a suspension.
November 23, 2010 4:43 PM ET | Delete
And this guy wants to talk about murder. See Glencross, Curtis. Staal's job is to hit opponents clean and hard on the shoulder, he doesn't have to pick which shoulder is most convenient for the guy getting hit. THIS IS FRICKIN HOCKEY. Tell your boy to quit admiring his passes and he might be better off next time
November 23, 2010 4:50 PM ET | Delete
wrong, watch the glex hit from last year...shoulder to shoulder then durys head hit glenx...yes it was a dirty hit, but he didnt target his head
November 23, 2010 4:55 PM ET | Delete
Drury's head hit Glencross' shoulder? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
November 23, 2010 5:01 PM ET | Delete
Who are you to say where he was targeting? Glencross went at Drury and hit him in the head when he didn't have the puck. Staal hit Stajan left shoulder on left shoulder when he was carrying the puck with his head down. See the difference?
November 23, 2010 5:13 PM ET | Delete
This is gonna get rediculous if these types of hits get penalized, players are gonna be coming across the blueline purposely looking sideways so nobody can hit them, much like how players turn their backs to other players along the walls and in the corners so you can't hit them. Come on, Stajan has been playing long enough to know the basics of hockey, and one of them is not to come across the blueline looking at the side boards. Very simple.
November 23, 2010 5:16 PM ET | Delete
Also just watched the Glencross hit, Drury never had the puck to begin with, way worse!
November 23, 2010 5:18 PM ET | Delete
"This is gonna get rediculous if these types of hits get penalized, players are gonna be coming across the blueline purposely looking sideways so nobody can hit them, much like how players turn their backs to other players along the walls and in the corners so you can't hit them."very good point
November 23, 2010 5:19 PM ET | Delete
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/blogs/scottmorrison/2010/11/staals-hit-falls-under-letter-of-the-law.html This pretty much sums it up.
November 23, 2010 5:45 PM ET | Delete
it wasnt a 'clean' hit, but i deffinantly do not think he should be suspended for it, shoulder to chin, but not entirely Staal's fault, stajan is smaller and got caught admiring his pass. Also, why are you complaining about the drury hit, glencross was suspended, end of story.
November 23, 2010 6:44 PM ET | Delete
If Glex or any Flames was suspended for an illigal hit I'd support it. Have you read us complaining about Jokinen? He did it, we get it. Bigsexy and rags, they could still get hit, just not on the jaw...totally legal... not a very good point.
November 23, 2010 6:46 PM ET | Delete
At the end of the day the NHL has said it was clean. Just like cooke's hit on Savard was totally squeeky clean with no intent or anything wrong... nothing. By the way Savard JUST cleared his neuro test today...
November 23, 2010 6:47 PM ET | Delete
Borderline, but one thing for sure, Staal new he had him
November 23, 2010 6:48 PM ET | Delete
flamesfan- I tend to agree with you, it was a hit that was "questionable" or "debatable". If Stajan learns as fast as Lindros his career could be over sooner rather than later.
November 23, 2010 6:50 PM ET | Delete
No respect
November 23, 2010 9:02 PM ET | Delete
November 23, 2010 9:06 PM ET | Delete
November 23, 2010 9:08 PM ET | Delete
I wish him a speedy recovery, but I'm sure he'd be the first to agree that he put himself in a bad position and he should have been paying attention. That's basic hockey, when you come across the blueline you better be paying attention.
November 23, 2010 9:09 PM ET | Delete
Just watched the Glencross hit on Drury. It was dirty only because Drury didn't touch the puck other than that it was 100% clean. It wasn't even really that hard of a hit Drury just over reacted a lot. Glencross barely grazed him.
November 23, 2010 9:16 PM ET | Delete
Sorry sane I completely disagree. Bodychecking is being called a deathmatch? Wow the pussyfication of the nhl is growing...you must have really hated Scott Stevens. You might like watching shinny I prefer hard hits. Stajan was admiring his drop pass when he should have had his head up, simple as that.
November 23, 2010 9:20 PM ET | Delete
Bootsy I'm in love with rough play but lindros is the perfect example of why they made this rule. Body check or head check? Maybe the difference is in the description.
November 23, 2010 9:42 PM ET | Delete
Head check's are going to happen with the size difference , or if a player has his head down....it should be ingrained in a player's head that cutting through the middle is a danger area and to be aware. Too much blame is being put on the player delivering the hit and not enough on the player being careless.
November 23, 2010 9:46 PM ET | Delete
Staal and all three of his brothers should be reprimanded for this hit!!!! lol
November 23, 2010 9:48 PM ET | Delete
"Bigsexy and rags, they could still get hit, just not on the jaw...totally legal... not a very good point."I'm not sure what this even means? Can't really say it any simpler then Bootsey. Staal capitalizes on someone with his head down and finished him, that is all. Also, Staal only made contact with Stajan's head because of the follow through, simple as that.
November 23, 2010 9:55 PM ET | Delete
November 23, 2010 10:48 PM ET | Delete
Again was he finishing a check or trying to hospitalize him? Staal doesn't have a rep and I don't think he's dirty but that game was physical. Looked to me like he put everything he had including positioning to injure him. If the NHL is right then so are you I guess though.
November 24, 2010 12:09 AM ET | Delete
November 24, 2010 12:12 AM ET | Delete
I just wrote a lengthy post and it all appeared blank so I officially give up on this argument. Hopefully the Flames blinders won't be glued on next time Staal throws a nice CLEAN hit.
November 24, 2010 12:15 AM ET | Delete
If Staal's position indicated that he had intent to injure, what did Stajan's positioning look like to you? Again, this all starts and ends with Stajan having his head down coming into the offensive zone, you can't blame Staal for taking advantage. He rocked him like a good d-man should
November 24, 2010 1:18 AM ET | Delete
Come on he knew he would hurt/crush him. If Stajan was Crosby, is there a suspension or not, especially if it may mean the end of Crosby's career. Legal or not, intent to injure is a lack of respect. Pussy or not. Bring back bench clearing brawls if you want, I enjoyed them. This happens because guys like Semenko cant enforce this BS anymore
November 24, 2010 1:21 AM ET | Delete
Staal in the old days would have had the piss beat out of him by Hunter. End of friggin story
November 24, 2010 6:50 AM ET | Delete
Drury "overreacted" a lot of the Gelncross cheapshot. Yeah, ok, he was diagnosed with a concussion because of it. what a jackass.
November 24, 2010 8:47 AM ET | Delete
Glencross hit Dury's shoulder......
November 24, 2010 9:52 AM ET | Delete
Drury didn't have the puck and Glencross targeted his head causing a concussion. Stop being a blithering Flame fan idiot.
November 24, 2010 10:21 AM ET | Delete
Rags- I appreciate the thoughts, good to hear your POV.
November 24, 2010 11:12 AM ET | Delete
Rags, I still disagree with you. Stajan's head was turned to the play, not down. This isn't a situation where a guy's trying to dangle through the defenseman and gets caught. The league obviously agrees with you, but many of us don't. That hit is designed to cause injury, the player delivering it ought to be made responsible for the decision to throw it.
November 24, 2010 11:14 AM ET | Delete
Jimbro, I'm not going to say that the glencross hit was clean. In fact, I'll agree with you that it was actually worse. But all of the reasons why you hated that hit are the same reasons why we hate this one. It came from the blindside, away from the play, and it was delivered to the head when it could have just as easily been delivered to the shoulder.
November 24, 2010 11:31 AM ET | Delete
ummmmm, Drury never had the puck. Why should anyone who never had the puck, like Drury did be prepared to take a shot to the head? Stajan had just gotten rid of the puck one second before he was hit by a legal body check. Drury never touched the puck. Please read that line as many times as it takes to sink in.
November 24, 2010 12:33 PM ET | Delete
Glencross hit Drury in the Shoulder.
November 24, 2010 1:05 PM ET | Delete
only Stevie Wonder would believe that Glencross hit Drury on the shoulder....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSda6WmINNs
November 24, 2010 1:06 PM ET | Delete
oh yeah, JACKASS
November 24, 2010 3:14 PM ET | Delete
November 24, 2010 3:20 PM ET | Delete
All that video does is proves Glencross never touched his head.
November 24, 2010 3:26 PM ET | Delete
you must've been hit on the head too many times if you believe after watching that clip that Glencross didn't specifically target and hit Drury's head. Attempt to injure. attempt successful. caused concussion.
November 24, 2010 4:20 PM ET | Delete
I agree that a rebuild might not take that long... with some guys that we already have like Howse, Brodie, Nemisz.... I think we should keep Kipper as some Goalie's seem to get better with age, Kipper still may be a top Goalie by the time we rebuild this team if it is done fast enough.... But can we keep Iginla...??
November 24, 2010 7:13 PM ET | Delete
Blow away the Sutters first
November 24, 2010 7:28 PM ET | Delete
The only people that think that hit was dirty are Flames fans, and as I said before I respect your loyalty but if everyone else including the league says it's doesn't violate the rules of the NHL then it's most likely a clean hit, no matter how much you disagree.
November 25, 2010 12:44 AM ET | Delete
Jtommy and Sane, I see where your both coming from and respect your opinions.
November 25, 2010 10:12 AM ET | Delete
Soooo...when we blowing this mess up?
November 25, 2010 12:49 PM ET | Delete
rink-- sarich was a healthy scratch...seem weird to you as well?
November 25, 2010 2:59 PM ET | Delete
Not really...we've benched him before in place of Staios. It's tough to figure out the normal weirdness from the unusual weirdness!
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