The talk has been about what the plan would be in the off season should the Flames capitulate and not make the playoffs, it can be tough to see what a player is really worth unless you are outside looking in or are an actual professional scout. Having said that the Flames have a few guys that could be shipped so here are some comparables to let you know what they MIGHT be worth out there.
Daymond Langkow- on pace for a 40 point season, has had much better seasons of course.
Comparable- Matt Cullen- 45 point pace.
Return: 2nd round pick and prospect.
Robyn Regehr- On pace for 16 points and a plus season
Comparable- Andy Sutton- similar point production however a bit less of a player and older.
Return: 2nd round pick (in fact most defensemen get a 2nd round pick on average in return).
Jarome Iginla- Consistent 30 goal scorer, might be losing his foot speed.
Comparable- Kovalchuck- both rank near the top in goals scored in the last 5-6 years-
Return:1st round Pick, Top Prospect, Serviceable forward with upside.
Corey Sarich- Good reliable d man with cup experience.
Comparable- Martin Skoula- Cup experience as well, similar point production.
Return: 5th round pick (the obvious difference is that sarich makes 3. million to skoula's 600,000.00)
(also Steve Staios who is a stay at home d making 2.7 million was shipped for a 3rd rounder)
Kotalik- There's no one comparable and a bag of pucks would be over paying.
cap hit and term will play a huge role in who is movable or not.
That's a nice start, but I'm hoping it's a longer list than just this.
Regher is worthn more than a second he is one of the top 10 d-man in Canada and one of the most steady defensive d-man around. He is worth a top D-man like Alzner.. Iginla could fetch Tavares and a 1st and you add Stajan in that deal you could get Hamonic and another pick. Langkow could fetch Boyes another underachiever and Sarich with White, moss, Negrin, PArdy pick could fetch Hamhuis, Blum, Franson and Budish
matthockey what the hell are you smoking? no effing way would the isles give you tavares for igilna and stajan let alone hamonic, tavares and a first AND another pick.
idk man lol but iggy would fetch Tavares
That's dumb. There's no way that the Isles would trade their future franchise player for a 32 year old goal scorer. It would be a marketing disaster in Long Island.
Although Iginla is great... Tavares is untouchable... he is the Islanders franchise saviour... Matt I think you need to be more realistic.. however Iginla is worth a ton.. If Sutter wants to do it right he will be traded for 2 1st round picks and a prospect.Flames need to rebuild properly through the draft and NOT become a Toronto cast away team..
Iggy would not fetch Tavares. You don't trade your franchise future for a 32-year old. NYI would laugh at that trade proposal.
gotta love people who think their trades are realistic. You'd never get Tavares with anything you have on your roster, including Iginla. There is a reason he was drafted first overall and you don't have anything that fits in with the Islanders plans.
Iginla would likely get you a 1st rounder, a top tier prospect, and a serviceable 25 year old forward. Example: From TB, 1st in 2010, Carter Ashton, and Steve Downie. Not saying this is exactly the deal that would happen, but the peices should look similar.
You'll never get a Tavares, or a Stamkos, or even a Matt Duchene in a deal like this. It's going to be an unproven guy with good potential.
Without draft picks Flames can't possibly begin a quick rebuild unless they move at least 2 of Kipper, Iginla, Bouwmeister and Langkow. Sutter has really messed up. Only Kipper has top value.
Don't kid yourself. Iginla has better value than Miikka. This is an offensive league again and there are 20 elite level goalies in the league, almost every team already has a guy that's at least comparable with Miikka.
Let me name you some who don't - Philly, Chicago, Edmonton, Tampa, Washington, Detroit, Toronto.
I will go out on a limb here and speculate that Semeon Varlamov could be of comparable ability to Kiprusoff... not saying equal or better... but close enough that I wouldn't say that Washington is a team without high-end goaltending. Also, Gustavson has the second lowest GAA since the Olympic break. Make of that what you will..
after seeing what Atlanta got for Kovalchuk, I would think based on Iginla's age he'd be worth less. He's a hell of a player and had a great career, but his value is not high to a rebuilding team, you'd get more for him from a contender where he'd fit into their plans. Something along the lines of a 1st, Angelo Esposito and maybe Tyler Kennedy from Pittsburgh. That's a lot more realistic than expecting to snag Tavares, let alone JT, a 1st rounder and Hamonic. Dream on.
The big difference between Iginla and Kovalchuk is that Iggy is under contract for 3 or 4 more years while Kovalchuk will walk at the end of the year, and even if NJ signs him it will cripple them financially against the cap... so I think Iginla would get more than Kovalchuk. Also, Iggy has big game experience, SCF, gold medal game etc... Kovie not as much...
There is no denying that Iginla is a very fine player who would help alot of teams. The problem is all contract related - nobody is taking on a $7.0M yr contract and giving up top picks or good young players in return. That leaves moving him for another bad contract and maybe a player not his equal.
Iggy's not a bad contract, especially if he puts up 90 points. There are good teams with cap space (see washington) that could definitely put together a package.
Ok, what would you expect Washington to give you back for Jerome? (I'm trying to understand why they would need him).
Matthockey: The whole purpose of this blog was to kind of point this out, we tend to think a liot of the players on our team that we cheer for so I found some pretty comparable players and what they got in return so that we could have realistic expectations. I personally do not feel Jarome is going anywhere btw. Langkow, Sarich and Regehr...another story.
RickJ, if Washington goes all the way this year I don't think they'd be interested. If they're knocked out in the first or second round again I could see them looking for a veteran leader that could take them to the next level. I'd see Iggy replacing Semin in their line-up for a package along the lines of Eric Fehr (they keep Laich and Fleischman, Fehr could be the odd man out), Karl Alzner and a 2nd. It might need to be Iggy for that though.
EDIT: *Iggy plus, sorry.
Matthockey. No, Jarome would not fetch Tavares.
Iginla's not getting traded.....
jtommyt: I think it would be in Calgary's interest to keep Iginla because they are thin at the skill positions up front. How about increasing the scoring talent by doing Kipper for Huet and Sharp and maybe Versteeg if you throw something else in?
Not sure it is in Calgary's best interests to trade anyone this year, they are all devalued assets after this debacle of a season as led by Brent.
RickJ: For Kipper I think it would have to be Sharp, Huet, and either a guy like Ladd, or a 1st. If you're offering Sharp, Versteeg and Huet, I would offer Kipper and either Kotalik, Sarich, or Stajan. It would have to be a guy who carries some salary with him.
Miko: Unfortunately, it doesn't look like their value will be going up any time soon.
messed up my posts lol
I just don't see Kiprusoff as being worth what is being bandied around here. His three year averages 73G, 39W, 2.60GAA, .910SV%, 3SO are not so good as to cough up significant talent in return... especially with an almost 6m cap hit.
Lundqvist: 6.88, 70g, 35w, .916, 2.37, 5soWard: 6.30, 60g, 30w, .911, 2.63, 3soRyan Miller: 6.25, 66g, 36w, .918, 2.46, 4soBackstrom: 6.00, 61g, 32w, .915, 2.44, 5soGiguere: 6.00, 45g, 21w, .909, 2.72, 3soMikka Kiprusoff: 5.83, 73g, 39w, 2.60, .910, 3SOTurco: 5.70, 62g, 28w, .906, 2.63, 3soVokoun: 5.70, 63g, 26w, .924, 2.54, 6soHuet: 5.63, 47g, 26w, .908, 2.45, 4so
Bah!! damned HB formatting... above is the 3 average for goalies with a cap hit between 5.63m and 6.88m. The average numbers are 6.03m, 61g, 30w, .913, 2.54, 4so. Is the difference between Kiprusoff's numbers and Huet's so great that Chicago should have to pay such a premium? Where does Kipper really fit amongst his peers?
From my armchair I see Kipper below: Miller, Vokoun, Lundqvist*** above: Giguere, Turco, and Huet*** and about on par (albeit perhaps a little above or below) with: Ward and Backstrom. If Calgary is serious about blowing the team up, they are going to have to wait for Vokoun to move before shopping Kipper as Vokoun has better numbers, lower salary, and can afford any suitor cap flexibility in the immediate future as his contract expires after next season.
matt- nothing on your list the preds would want, let alone that would bring blum back
Kipper is wayy better than Lundqvist
No, he's not. Kiprusoff is having a fantastic season, but that's not enough to say he's better than Lundqvist.