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Stats getting out of hand

Posted 12:03 PM ET | Comments 13
Stats. Is it just me or are they getting out of hand? I have read more and more articles dealing with “adjusted corsi” dealing with zone starts and different line mate combinations etc lately. I do think there is a place for all stats however all stats are subjective to the million variables that go into an average day in this world. Stats will never tell a whole story, they will never tell you about the compete levels in players, their motivations, their bad or good luck. They won’t tell you humidity factor in different arenas or noise level, they don’t tell you about the chirping of one player to another or about hidden injuries that players play through.

Corsi, the way I understand it, is basically the plus minus stat on roids. It deals with 5 on 5 play and the shots for and against while a player is on the ice. Here again we could look at so many different variables it makes a head spin, ice condition, how well the trainer sharpened skates on and on… nothing is ever perfect. I like stats as a basic outline that show how a player does in general. For instance if a player is minus 27 he is probably a defensive liability or if a player has 100 points he is pretty damn good player.

I will state one more time that I do not believe stats tell the whole story.

When I read on Flamesnation.ca about how Kipper was the weak link on the Flames I did have to shake my head. There were a lot of stats thrown out there, you can read it here http://flamesnation.ca/2011/7/27/the-weakest-link Now before I give you my take on that please be aware that Kent Wilson and the team do an awesome job, I regularly read the blog and highly recommend it. Having said that the real and only true way to judge hockey…is to watch hockey. Kipper was fantastic last year and yes there was the occasional bad goal but is he really the weakest link? I remember so many goals that I was flabbergasted at the defence being atrocious yet the stats say that five on five they do a decent job. It’s hockey. One mental slip by a player and the opposition is in the slot in a prime scoring area. The stats used in this blog say five on five when the opposition beat the Flames five on five it’s Kipper’s fault. C’mon.

To summarize I think stats are only meant to round out an opinion and to maybe provide some general justification, if you rely solely on them you blind yourself to the beauty of hockey. Besides if one really wanted to look at Kipper’s stats I could argue to one that matters most, wins, he was third. In losses he has less than bums like Lundqvist, Ward, Brodeur…you know statistically better goalies than Kipper 5 on 5… How is that possible…because hockey is played on the ice not on a calculator.

Filed Under:   Flames   Stats   Corsi   Kiprusoff  
July 28, 2011 3:03 PM ET | Delete
I agree, too much math but that still doesnt aswer why the Flames at this point need a 5.833M goalie for the rebuilding in his remaining years of the contract.
July 28, 2011 3:24 PM ET | Delete
Lots of questions about the direction of the team!!
July 28, 2011 5:12 PM ET | Delete
July 28, 2011 5:23 PM ET | Delete
I don't think anyone is arguing that stats are the be all and end all of player evaluation. Hockey isn't a series of one-on-one confrontations like baseball; it's a true team setting where there are too many unquantifiable factors going into every play. That said, --->
July 28, 2011 5:27 PM ET | Delete
stuff like Corsi and zone starts can be valuable tools that help us get a rough picture of what (on average) was going on when a given player was on the ice, and -- combined with the "eyeball test" -- give us some perspective on why that might be the case. --->
July 28, 2011 5:29 PM ET | Delete
Just like no one would say all 30-goal scorers are created equal (different teams, different opponents, different situations, etc.), or that a player's value can be measure strictly in points, not all Corsis (for example) are created equal. Corsi itself isn't evil. It's useful. The danger is when people make it out to be somehow more important or more "accurate" than any other stat.
July 28, 2011 7:51 PM ET | Delete
I think it can be useful if you are looking at trades or signing free agents
July 28, 2011 10:00 PM ET | Delete
Stats are useful tools, no question. Corsi or any stat that has relevance should be used in player evaluation just not as the one single you base your opinion on. Put it this way, there's scouts Bd video departments because stats tell only a portion of the story.
July 29, 2011 2:38 PM ET | Delete
well 25% of the 50% surveyed think 10% of the stats are 100% inaccurate. that being said, I'd still have Kipper in net than over 85% of the other targets in the NHL...
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