Lots of Iginla talk lately, not by anyone on hockey circles so much but from fans and the media. I think this is a good thing, to mentally prepare ourselves for an Iginla-less Flames team. Iginla has been this teams top scorer for so long it's hard to get used to the idea, how could we win without him right? Well 30 other teams do it every night, and a lot of clubs have won a lot more than the Flames. This isn't all Iginla's fault or anything, he's been more than anyone could ask, but his time is ending as the Flames' go to guy.
I know the slow start business we always hear, Iginla always starts slow and kills it in November but hey...that's not good enough. 7 million means 7 Million reason to not start slow. Everyone that is close to Iginla, like Conroy, say he feels every ounce of pressure and it's hard. Just leave him alone. Well after the tissues are gone maybe he can cry into some 100 dollar bills or something. As a fan I want goals.
The truth is the Flames are a decent team, even above average but if you think Iginla is leading this club to a Stanley Cup we need to shake ourselves. Iginla has had his shot when he was in his prime and that window is gone, to win the leader has to be someone different. That doesn't mean Iginla can't be involved, his role could be as a secondary scorer but the question remains of you think that his salary justifies that?
I think the amount of much needed prospects, picks and the obvious return of a top six forward would actually be more beneficial to this club moving forward. This team is .500 and Iginla hasn't even shown up yet, they can live with out him. One of these years, maybe it's this year, October will run into November and December and Iginla will end up with 60 points on the year. Do we say it's just a slow year he'll rebound? It's important to get the highest value for him possible, I myself believe that is this years trade deadline.
Question: Where would you rank Iginla with the top forwards in the NHL? If you would rank him in the top 10... it would be insane to trade him!! Put it this way... would you rather have Vanek, Briere, Penner, Drury, Lecalvier, Spezza?? they all make more than Iggy... Give your heads a shake people!!!
I would not place Iginla in the top ten. I don't even think he's the best Flame but he's probably worth the most.
Is it telling that I would be more upset if the Flames traded Glencross?
Two things: "the Flames are a decent team, even above average" - This is wrong. The Flames are average at best. Two: "This team is .500 and Iginla hasn't even shown up yet, they can live with out him."- this totally contradicts your argument. If we didnt have Iginla we would be less than .500 and worse. So how does trading him make our team better?
And better for the immediate future I mean. Sutter is all about trying to ice a team for the NOW and if he trades iginla he will officially start rebuilding.It won't happen. This is all hearsay.
I believe a top six winger would have to part of the package which Iginla is now, just an expensive one. Minus Iginla add another guy, same team. Except some prospects and picks to work with as well. That makes your team better. Iginla has 2 goals, that is not good enough. period. I agree it's hearsay for sure but I think it's good to think about.
I do think top to bottom our d is above average, our goalie is above average and our depth is above average, the record does not prove that out but the Flames are way better off than multiple teams I can think of.
Jtommy- He's been the most consistant forward so far. He is out for tonight though.
SO - healthy scratch or injury :S
Earliest for best value is trade deadline. We can get over value just by getting a bidding war going. At this point WTF!
Yeah I don't think tomorrow would be good, you might get a dionesque trade that way. The fact dreger and Kypreos are addressing it means 29 g.m.'s will make that call this year at some point.
Really... Glencross over Iginla? Don't get me wrong Glencross is awesome, but I don't get it; Iginla was cleary our best forward last year, judging by points. Why is he the target? Because he's off to a slow start?? Newsflash!!! Where have you been for the last 10 years??
Iginla is not the problem for this team, how would trading him turn things around? Calgary's demise was trading Cammelari. Why? Our powerplay. You want to improve this team? Bring in a powerplay specialist. aka Brad Richards.
Iginla to the Leafs for Grabovski,Macarthur,Lebda, and Brown...Haha, seems like Sutter's type of deal (See Phaneuf Trade). Oh and also you guys throw in a prospect. And your best penalty killer.
Backburner- I think the idea he was getting across is that Glenx appears to try very hard where Iginla looks disinterested. I'll let him speak to that though. Cammy left for nothing, Iginla would bring return. Different scenario. How did people feel when Nuiey got traded? Iginla WHO?? was the headline. time to complete the cycle.
someone on the P.P. has to put the puck in the net. Right now that's not Iggy.
dion- The Dion trade wasn't one of his best but not a total bust either...Dion was just booed off the ice...but so were the Flames so...
I know I apologize just couldnt help myself. But I do think Toronto did fully win that deal. And the whole Dion being booed thing is being blown up, he was minorly booed by a very small amount of people after he gave it away leading to a penalty shot goal. The booing stopped after the short 8 second spurt, the booing was very quiet also. There was also a "DION" chant against the Sens when we beat them 5-1. Toronto loves their captain but just wants him to score more.
iggy gone by trade deadline, i think his value will be at the highest this year. his 7 million dollar contract is way to high for his age and current point production. and about Vanek, Briere, Penner, Drury, Lecalvier, Spezza. half those players are playing better then iggy and have more potential then him too. drury and vanek are busts. and im pretty sure penner is only making 5. something and last year he tied iggy's goals and had just a few less points. so trade him
If we ever trade Iginla, it should be the start of the rebuild. We should only want and get top prospects and picks in return. No vets, no big contracts that have "years" on them, no spare parts, no plugs. If Iggy goes, give up all pretense of being any kind of contender and blow it up for real.
bunch of losers u guys r .....
Problem is like you said he makes to much for what he does so the flames won't get a great return. I like Iggy a lot would love to see him in a Flyers jersey any day but not for 7 mill. Problem is that in a cap era thats a ton of money plus don't he have a NTC so he will want to go to a contender. Contenders usally don't have a lot of cap space. So the flames would just get overpaid players back anyway.
Totally torn whether to trade him, might want to get rid of Sutters
before we trade him
^My take on the Iggy situation
iggy for Brayden Schenn, Andrei Loktionov, and the Kings 1st round pickwe win!
Calgary doesn't have the horses to make a run for it this year, with a rebuild inevitable trading Iggy when he still has some value is the best option. I also think they should consider moving Kippur and Reggie as well, in two to three years when the rebuild may resemble a team that has any potential they will both be on the downsides of their careers. Of course this is all moot as Sutter will not trade assets as his job is tied to current success. Iggy to the Sabres for Roy a 1st in 2011 and a 2nd in 2012.
If, and thats a big IF we trade Iggy, he better go to an eastern team(i think he will play a lot better in the east anyway)
and im really happy that Feaster is involved with the trade Iginla topic around now. atleast he will have some say when Sutter brings a rediculous trade offer to the table to discuss.
I am willing to admit I can actally see Iggy gone which really worries me.
Iggy is the Flames all-time leader in points. There is NO way he'll be traded; and I don't think its fair to pin all our problems on one guy. It would be a different story if we still had someone who could actually play with him. Sutter's gotta go before Iggy does. Plain and Simple.
Back-We all love the guy. Like I said he's done more than enough. Powerforwards decline very quickly and it's important to get return before he's looked at as a huge salary with no value, you want to get ahead of that. It's about creating a stronger organization as a whole.
Fleury was our all-time points leader once...I think we traded him a week after he got the title. [laughs]
Sane I completly agree. I love this guy met him several times, he bleeds Calgary the Flames need him but sometimes hockey is a business.
MacInnis was our points leader before Fleury. We traded him too. [cries]
why are the majority of people so hesitant about the slightest possibility of a rebuild...let me make a point..the Caps and Penguins right now we're once rebuild teams...ask yourself this...do you want to suffer 3 - 4 years on the downside to potentially become a Caps team in the west? or do you want Sutter to keep trying to plug holes with veterans to make a push...why not make a push in 3 years with 20 year olds instead of 30 year olds
ffcm- I'm more worried about being mediocre and not getting quality first rounders, perpetually languishing in the middle of the standings. By trading Iggy you immediately get two or three very good prospects or picks. Dion should have gotten us that return too but now everyone knows he isn't worth it...lol If Kessel gets two firsts iggy gets....
The problem is Iggy is not playing his best hockey and Sutter will not rebuild this team he will just re-tool. You see Iggy not problem its not the players as it it system the Flame have remained basically the same team for the last 7 years
sane: good call on being worried about languishing in mediocrity for severall years. I as an Oilers fan have had to endure that for 20 years. I agree Iggy should be traded for some pics/prospects, but with his salary you are more likely to get 1 bad salary back your way.
Flamestr: I agree with you, Sutter is more likely to continue to re-tool the Flames rather than a quick rebuild. The Flames imo should be a tough team to play against. The Battle of Alberta is just not fun if it is not going to be competetive games to watch.
Marty- I agree, the Flames will demand a top six player in return as part of a package no doubt.
Probably won't get a top 6 player in return. Maybe a prospect projected to become a top 6 forward, a top pick or two, and a bad contract for him. I deally the Flames would just want the picks and prospects, but he would most likely go to a contender and most of them are close to the cap. Although, I think the Islanders might be a good fit for him.
I personally feel L.A. is the best fit in terms of where they are, if they want to win now, the prospects they have and picks they could offer...stay tuned I have another blog coming
I was just figuring in terms of what Iggy could do for them and they have the cap room to do it. L.A. would be a better fit in terms of making a decent push at the cup