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Posted 2:25 PM ET | Comments 58
It's funny when you look at perceived value versus reality. Right now, in reality, Iginla is a serviceable second line winger. His perceived value as a super star is the exact opposite. Iginla has a lot of qualities that make him hyper attractive for a lot of markets. He does still have an incredible shot and can change games when motivated, he can lead and is a huge marketing dream for any team. His promotional side is a actually bankable, he's well spoken, a visible minority and great character make him something every franchise in the States would pay for. (I know you may ask yourself what his skin colour has to do with hockey and the answer is nothing but if you're looking to sell tickets or create interest in a market that is predominately African American then Iginla becomes a lot more valuable than what he simply puts in the net. It's not a race thing it's a business thing.)

Having said that what is he worth and what do you compare him to? Iginla's scoring stats are comparable to Kovalchuck's since the lock out and I believe that a similar rate of return is what would be demanded. Namely a 1st, 2nd, decent winger, decent defenceman and a prospect with something going the other way as well.

My math may be off and I apologize if it is but I see Iginla getting 417 points since the lock out and Kovalchuck getting 438 going into this season so at the very least they are comparable. Iginla fights, leads and as I mentioned before is much more marketable.

Why would you get rid of him? Because the Flames have mis-managed their assets too long and require the kind of infusion trading Iginla would make. The baton needs to be passed or the Flames will languish in mediocrity for a while. Would it tear our hearts out? Yes. Just as much as Nuiewy did or Fleury. For every loss there is a gain though so lets look at that and the real reason why we come to Hockeybuzz... to speculate wildly with no basis!

A team that is in "win now" mode with cap space is most likely a good landing spot for Iginla. He will not waive to go to a loser team that is for sure, he will want a shot at winning the cup. I have Washington, Philly, Pittsburg, L.A., Vancouver, Detroit and San Jose as teams that are in wanting to win right now mode. Of those Washington, Pittsburg, L.A. have some decent space to work with. These teams will not give up a top flight player because they want to win now and that wouldn't make sense so here is where the negotiations would start:

Washington- 1st, 2nd, Johansson now to make this interesting what if the caps threw Nylander to the Flames? Simply as a salary move as he is UFA next year and they are paying over 4 mil for an AHL guy. If the Flames took that Salary they might get another decent player as well. Possibly a Fleishman? Something may go back the other way as well a bad salary like Staios or Sarich.

L.A.- Rumoured already to being eyeing up #12 this trade makes the most sense as the Kings have a lot of good young players to spare. 1st, Schenn and either Hickey or Teubert may be enough to get this done. If something goes back to the kings I would imagine Simmonds will be discussed as well as he's a Sutter style player. With Several other prospects in their organization and 6 million in space this could be an easy one for both sides at the deadline.

Pittsburg- The Olympic memories flooding back yet? Iginla to Crosby GOAL!!!! With around 3.3 in space as of right now this could be swung as well. 1st, 2nd, Tangradi and Goligosky.

Now keep in mind that Iginla may not waive to go east for two years.

Buffalo has also been heavily rumoured as being after Iginla so lets look at that. They do have cap room at 3.8 right now. Keep in mind at the deadline everyone counts less against the cap. Buffalo would have to start with a 1st, 2nd and Kassian. Ennis would be fantastic but I think Oiler fans would find ryhmes for him that wouldn't be flattering. With Buffalo there would be a demand to return Connolly who has injury issues, Pominville or Roy. Pominville and Roy are too high for return with the necessary picks and prospects Calgary would require so it would be a tough fit. Hecht may be a better idea for the short term.

Pheonix may be a surprise here too. They have 9 million in space due to the league subsidizing them but if they can make a run at the cup they may look to swing a trade. I'd start with Turris, a 1st and Gormley.

I have made a quick list of starting points for conversation about Iginla here by team:

Ana: 1st, 2nd Sbisa, Fowler

Atl: 1st, 2nd, Burmistrov, Bergfors

Bos: 1st (toronto's of course), 2nd, Marchand and player

Carolina: 1st, 2nd, Skinner

Chicago: 1st, 2nd, Beach and player

Colorado: 1st, 2nd, Stewart

Columbus: 1st, Filitov, Player

Dallas: 1st, Glennie, Player

Det: 1st, 2nd, Tatar, Hudler

Flor: 1st, 2nd, Bjugstad, Player

Min: 1st, 2nd, Granlund, Player

Montreal: 1st, 2nd, Palushaj, player

Nash: 1st, 2nd Ellis, Wilson

N.j. 1st, 2nd, Tedenby.

NYI: Niederieter and a 1st as starting point.

NYR: Kreider, a 1st, 2nd and Player as a starting point.

Ott:...I got nothing here.

Phi: Nodl, a 1st and 2nd and obviously a decent player making big cash for cap reasons.

S.J: Couture, a 1st and 2nd and probably Pavelski would be a starting point.

St. Louis- This would be tricky due to the youth on the bog club, would involve more actual roster players. Tarasenko and a 1st to start though.

Tampa- Strong up the middle already to Connolly and a 1st to start.

Toronto- No first so that is a non starter but Kadri obviously as a start. No real deal here though.

Van: Don't even think about it. (Schoeder, a 1st, couple roster players named Sedin

Again, I'm not outlining deals but giving a STARTING point to help out mister Sutter because he is a huge fan of my blog. I also apologize for any mis-spelled names in this blog.

Lastly Iginla is valuable to Calgary right now but the future is bare and bleak unless they get return for him this year. His stats are declining and this is business, as much as we love him.

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November 11, 2010 2:40 PM ET | Delete
You're dreaming. All I would offer for Iginla is Beauchemin and Versteeg.
November 11, 2010 3:01 PM ET | Delete
I hope this is a sarcastic blog
November 11, 2010 3:01 PM ET | Delete
^And thats why the Leafs are on pace for another terrible season.I think some of your outlined starting points are a bit of a pipe dream but hey why not!I love the idea of Hickey coming back to Calgary. I played Minor league hockey with him when I was younger, it'd be awesome to see him in the Flaming C.
November 11, 2010 3:24 PM ET | Delete
2 goals, 8 points, 14 games
November 11, 2010 3:38 PM ET | Delete
1 year of many. Rough start for the team. Only a fool would put too much weight on those stats. Shall I post Phaneufs stats for you?
November 11, 2010 3:42 PM ET | Delete
Iggy- I think these would be conversation starters. I'm not defining trades by any means. Meh- t.o. Does not have the requisite 1st rounder it's a non starter.
November 11, 2010 4:32 PM ET | Delete
The Main difference between Kovy and Iggy is Age. So no, they aren't really a valid comparison of value
November 11, 2010 4:37 PM ET | Delete
Kovy was a pending ufa and with less than normal ss Atlanta was tied to give him up or get nothing. Iginla is also marketable where kovy isn't so as a business comparison you are wrong. Sure iginla is older but if he had 10 goals right now you wouldn't bring it up.
November 11, 2010 4:38 PM ET | Delete
Ps age difference sure hasn't mattered much since 04
November 11, 2010 5:46 PM ET | Delete
I would actually believe that if iginla ever goes anywhere it will be to columbus. We would have to be realistic here and probably say filitov, and if they are high in the rankings then maybe a first rounder. Hockey isnt what it was ten years ago
November 11, 2010 5:48 PM ET | Delete
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November 11, 2010 6:47 PM ET | Delete
Are you serious about this? Every team mentioned would give up their future for what a 34 year old declining power forward. roster player and a 2nd rounder and a mid level prospect is more like it. On pace for 46 points will sure land you a lot, come on give your head a shake
November 11, 2010 6:51 PM ET | Delete
roster player and a 2nd rounder and a mid level prospect might sound like a low ball offer but with 2 years at a 7 mill cap hit, he would have to start producing at a torrid pace to justify that cap hit and giving up any sort of major assets
November 11, 2010 8:13 PM ET | Delete
You've got to be joking.. a 1st, a 2nd and an 18 year old who's outscoring Iggy? A 1st and a second maybe.
November 11, 2010 8:29 PM ET | Delete
"Keep the opinions sane and well thought out"
November 11, 2010 8:45 PM ET | Delete
Your value of Iggy is so far off. Not even close.
November 11, 2010 9:42 PM ET | Delete
The one that i find the hardest to believe is the colorado deal..... No way colorado is going to give up stewart... even for iggy just alone
November 11, 2010 9:47 PM ET | Delete
These guys who dont think Iggy is worth it sure wouldnt want him going to a contender in their division. Bidding wars do happen
November 11, 2010 10:23 PM ET | Delete
Bidding wars do happen, but teams aren't willing to give up their future for a player who's declining. Most GM's aren't dumb. All most all of these "starting points" are crazy.
November 11, 2010 10:26 PM ET | Delete
Kevin R, at that price for Iggy basically raping a team of a future, i am sure anyone would be happy they are being traded in their division, a team will go 2 steps back after a deal would be made, tied up cap space and lost of young talent, yeah good trade.
November 11, 2010 10:31 PM ET | Delete
You guys keep saying no but tell me one player of Iginla's stature that has gone for less? I gave you an example I am calling you out on finding one to support this "madness"!! lol Ballard got a 1st, Grabner and Bernier. Isn't that the future? Not when you have more than enough to spare. Is Ballard Iginla?? Maybe the crazy is on your end.
November 11, 2010 10:35 PM ET | Delete
Horton, who is a young guy but only gets 20-30 goals a year got a 1st, 3rd and Wideman, Iginla gets 30-50. so a 1st, 2nd and high end prospect are to much to start a conversation?? Shake your heads.
November 11, 2010 10:44 PM ET | Delete
Pronger got a Lupul Smid a 1st a 2nd and a draft pick. How old was he again?? Want another?? He was then traded when he was even older for Lupul Sbisa TWO firsts and a third..still waiting for your examples.
November 11, 2010 10:50 PM ET | Delete
Iginla will be 34 a cap hit of 7 and is on pace for 40 something points. Pronger brings teams to the stanley cup finals thats a proven fact by now. Horton is young solid cap hit and was decent on a bad team, The ballard trade was basically just for the first. Van got Oreskovich as well and that offsets Grabner who was waived by the way, and Bernier was clearing the cap room for ballard.
November 11, 2010 10:52 PM ET | Delete
I am not saying he wont get a good return but you wont be getting a teams prized prospect plus top draft picks as well, it really will be one or the other.
November 11, 2010 10:56 PM ET | Delete
I am sure your Phaneuf trade is on the same level, wasnt he a future star of the league, traded away for garbage. The Gagne trade for cap space is another example, Heatly being traded away for spare parts, Brad Richards to Dallas was a crappy package of players, And dont say they are not the same caliber as Iggy, they have all ahd monster years and its not what have you done for me lately
November 11, 2010 10:56 PM ET | Delete
I think one of the highest scoring players over the last decade and in the modern era will get better than that. Iginla brought the flames on his back to the final. Any prospect traded here may not make it and be waived. I still haven't seen where a constant 30 goal guy goes for less. Let me know if you find one.
November 11, 2010 10:59 PM ET | Delete
Just saying Richards has better point per game total a conn symthe and stanley cup over Iggy over the past decade if you want to play the number game.
November 11, 2010 11:04 PM ET | Delete
Yeah and he'd get exactly the same thing being a super star. If my team gave up what I'm saying for him if not more I'd understand that. Regardless of what iginla is doing now there's always a gm who thinks he'd play better on his team. Always.
November 11, 2010 11:06 PM ET | Delete
Would I rather have Iggy over Brad Richards on my team, you know it, but its a cap space NHL now, you need your draft picks and rookies to survive to keep the cap space low. Unless its a guy you are trading for you can build your team around for quiet a few years, the returns wnt happen like the good old days
November 11, 2010 11:14 PM ET | Delete
Yeah the above list is just a conversation point the more likely teams cap wise were outlined.
November 11, 2010 11:18 PM ET | Delete
I understand your evaluation of previous trades, but really? Fowler, Sbisa, 1st and a 2nd? Pavelski, Couture, 1st and a 2nd? And those are supposed to be 'starting points'? That's not right IMO. Personally, I would love Iggy in the blue and gold, but I wouldnt give up Kassian for him. If anything, I'd want Iggy to mentor Kassian. Darcy Regier would never make the trade anyways so I'm ranting for nothing. ;)
November 11, 2010 11:26 PM ET | Delete
Iginla, Backlund or Stajan, 2nd rounder to Pittsburgh for Evgeni Malkin to give crosby a linemate while giving Backlund to have the opportunity to fill Malkins void and giving Calgary there 1st ever solid 1st line centre. Then Regher and Jokinen (maybe 3rd rounder) to Washington for Semin Giving Washington much needed Defence and Joker to provide a few points to soften the blow of losing Semin while giving falmes much needed offence. Imagine bourque - Malkin - Semin on the first line......Scary
November 11, 2010 11:46 PM ET | Delete
Iggy is not the problem the system is. The system is sufficating Iggy therefore derailing his points. Therefore we are not going to get what he is worth and anyone think we will is wrong. Were lucky to get a top 6 with a prospect.
November 11, 2010 11:56 PM ET | Delete
Penner for Iggy and you're lucky to get it.
November 12, 2010 12:56 AM ET | Delete
I agree with you sane, disagree with most of the others, as even though Iggy may be declining, teams would still take a big chance on him and, as you mentioned, the whole marketing thing would be huge in practically half of the American cities.
November 12, 2010 12:58 AM ET | Delete
Think about teams like Atlanta, Florida, PHOENIX! Fans have little interest in their teams as exemplified when you watch TSN highlights and can see more than half of the seats empty. These teams would do anything for that one player that can at least attract fans for the short term, which would hopefully keep bringing them back long term.
November 12, 2010 12:59 AM ET | Delete
So I think it'd be safe to say Iggy for a 1st, a decent prospect and a middle-aged player or for a 2nd, a decent prospect and a younger player with more potential
November 12, 2010 1:23 AM ET | Delete
Agree Oster
November 12, 2010 1:25 AM ET | Delete
November 12, 2010 9:40 AM ET | Delete
''Think about teams like Atlanta, Florida, PHOENIX!These teams would do anything for that one player that can at least attract fans''I'm pretty sure Atlanta had that guy, Kovalchuk, and it didn't really work.
November 12, 2010 10:16 AM ET | Delete
Oster, in L.A.'s case they could swing that trade and still have prospects coming it's a win win for everyone. It's not as though they are emptying the cupboard. Washington still has moret han few really good prospects again a swingable trade for them too.
November 12, 2010 10:21 AM ET | Delete
I watch every game the Flames play and Iggy has not declined as much as some on here believe. Like someone else said, it's the system that's killing Iginla's production. Nobody on this team can produce. Iggy is worth some good youth and picks for a team that is close. LA is the perfect trading partner and Sane's analyis on that prospective trade looks about right.
November 12, 2010 10:46 AM ET | Delete
For Washington- how about Carlson and/or possibly Alzner and a 1st to start? I agree with the assesment on Iginla's worth; it goes well beyond just his goal scoring abilities. His leadership alone IMO makes him valuable to a contenter.
November 12, 2010 10:51 AM ET | Delete
I think St Louis is the ideal landing spot for Iginla. I think they are ready to contend now with Halak on board. They need veteran leadership and who is better in that role right now than Jarome Iginla? I do think the Flames system is not working for Jarome and a young team witha shot would get Igi going again.
November 12, 2010 10:54 AM ET | Delete
That being said, how about Iginla, (his buddy) Tanguay and a vet D-man for a combination of Backes/Perron/Johnson/Peitrangelo (obviously not all) and some picks. I'm sure I'll be called insane but I think Iginla puts St Lou over the top and they have enough in their system to recover the other losses.
November 12, 2010 1:06 PM ET | Delete
Tand- very legit points and a good starting point for sure as all of those names are, in my opinion, worth talking about for sure. Tin- the guy that said that was flamestr and if you're not following him on twitter here it is: @thefanblogger
November 12, 2010 1:18 PM ET | Delete
You are looking at Iginla's point total over the last 6 years as the value on what his return should be. Iginla in the last 2 years is not even close to the 4 years years preceeding this. He would most likely garner a top 9 forward(salary dump) a prospect and a pick, or just a couple of picks (high round like a 1st and a 2nd). 5 years ago, maybe he would have been worth some of your suggestions.
November 12, 2010 2:20 PM ET | Delete
Marty- that's true but if I take the last 2 he had 90 points and 70 points both times over 30 goals, the amount of guys who can do that are very few and far between, the value therefore is incresded especially if there is pressure to winnow coupled withhis marketability.
November 12, 2010 2:27 PM ET | Delete
i thought the blog itself was a joke, beating this like a dead horse. i wouldnt give a first round for iggy in any deal. 7 million dollars in intense, no matter his leadership value. 40-50 points seven million for two years. not even a gd rental player :( i like iggy and all but i think his value is being blown up. age has a huge part in it. comparing a power forward to a defencemen like pronger is kind of silly. i think pronger has done more in his career too.
November 12, 2010 2:35 PM ET | Delete
I just don't see Phoenix even making the playofffs.....
November 12, 2010 2:36 PM ET | Delete
L.A. for Simmonds etc.... is the best possibility, but I still see us holding on to Jarome, and Regehr, he has played well so far this year.
November 12, 2010 2:44 PM ET | Delete
If Iginla goes, other chips will fall. I would suggest that Regehr would probably be another nice addition for a favorite. He may be a nice addition for Washington as well.
November 12, 2010 3:07 PM ET | Delete
mf1313- I can respect your opinion on that but if sutter came out and said i am shopping Iggy who's in? you don't think there'd be 29 calls? a guy who got 90 points two seasons ago and over 30 goals a year isn't a good rental? I think you may be UNDEr valuing a little don't you? Plus he's 33 not 90.
November 12, 2010 3:09 PM ET | Delete
b.j.harvey- I agree, in my mind L.A. is the best fit. Pheonix Owes us for Jokinen!! lol Tand- I hjave said that Regehr to Wash would be a tremendous fit, what comes back is the question there.
November 12, 2010 3:14 PM ET | Delete
MF1313- just curious...say hets 6 points over the next couple games which would project him to get closer to 70 points... would he be worth more then? Jarome will have several multi point games this year so his projection right now of 46 points isn't accurate in my opinion but we'll see.
November 12, 2010 3:41 PM ET | Delete
Too bad Langkow isn't back playing. Aside from, most importantly, him just being healthy again, if we are going to go into rebuild mode, he and Regehr would be a great pair to move to Wash. Our return would be pretty damn good I would think. Both of these 2 kind a' fit the bill for the Caps.
November 12, 2010 4:15 PM ET | Delete
if he hits 70 i still think i would be hard pressed to move a first rounder for him unless i have boat loads of cap space, gonig deep into the playoffs and have enough prospects for the furture. still at 7 million for 70 points. i think he is overpayed, his age i think is becoming more noticable. great hockey player, great leader, just cant see it happening. i cant c him being moved anyway. Rehehr i think will go before iggy.
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